Macedonians (ethnic group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By David Edenden


From Wikipedia, this list of Macedonians around the world is interesting and useful. An expanded article giving the details and background of each figure would be great.


The EU paid for a special census for the Republic of Macedonia to appease the Albanian minority. It was headed by a Greek ... yeah you read it right the first time. Macedonians in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania have no such EU protection in their respective censuses. No one in the western media thought that this was newsworthy.


The EU/US/Nato are not friends of Macedonia.


I would have preferred the real census figure in counties where this is available. Some countries assume ethnicity and country of origin are the same, therefore an ethnic Macedonia from Greece, would be identified as Greek. In Canada, the estimates of 200,000 Macedonians counts Grkomans (pro Greek Ethnic Macedonians) which I would exclude.

Macedonians (ethnic group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Republic of Macedonia 1,297,981[3]

Australia 83,978–200,000 [4][5] Italy 92,847 [6] Germany 62,295 - 85,000 [5][7] Switzerland 61,304 - 63,000 [5][8] United States 57,200–200,000 [5][9] Brazil 45,000 [2] Canada 37,055 - 200,000 [10][11] Turkey 31,518 [12] Argentina 30,000 [2] Serbia 25,847 [13] Austria 13,696 - 15,000 [5][14] Netherlands 10,000 - 15,000 [5] Czech Republic 11,623 [15] United Kingdom 9,000 [5] Hungary 7,253 [15] Albania 4,697 - 35,000 (est.) [16] Slovakia 4,600 [17] Croatia 4,270 [18] Slovenia 3,972 [19] Sweden 3,669 - 15,000 [5][20] Belgium 3,419 [21] Denmark 3,349 - 12,000 [5][22] Norway 3,045 [23] France 2,300 - 15,000 [24] Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,278 [25] Poland 2,000 - 4,500 [26][27] Bulgaria 1,654 [28] Russia 1,000 [26] Montenegro 900 [29] Greece 747 (2001 census) 10,000 – 30,000 (1999 est.) [30][31] Romania 731 - 6,000 [32

Mountain Climbing in Macedonia

the 3rd time is a charm « Fox Tales From Macedonia Blog:
August 24th, 2011 § 3 Comments


Or was it 4 ?  

Last weekend was momentous, mountainous … I have tried a few times to do a day hike to Tumba peak on the Belasica Mountian range (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belasica) where Macedonia, Greece and Bulgaria meet.

A big thank you to the Strumica Hiking club that organized the two day hike. They hauled our (75 people?) tents, sleeping bags and extra stuff up on a tractor. We hiked the 1st half of the trail in a few hours then had the evening to eat, drink, relax and meet new friends. In the morning we rose early for breakfast and the remainder of the hike up to the top to celebrate, turn around and make our way down to the bottom stopping mid way for lunch and pack up our things. They provided the 3 meals as well as having a medical person on hand “just in case”.

This experience is one of my favorite Macedonian experiences. Wonderful people and beautiful scenery. We listened to traditional music, danced and sang, picked wild berries (raspberries, black raspberries, blue berries), tried different home made rakjas, ate fresh made sheep cheese – right there on the mountain so close to the peak and made s’mores for the locals.

The s’mores were a hit (thanks to Austin), they don’t exist here. Marshmallows, if you can find them are a specialty item, very expensive and packaged differently. Graham crackers also do not exist here, they have cracker/biscuits that are close and would actually be really great on a s’more. They do have Hershey’s  chocolate bars. Most were afraid to try, the bravest were eyed suspiciously, waiting for the poisoning to take effect. Yes, some thought we were trying to poison them. My favorite … 2 old guys each with a s’more in their hands, one eating one watching. Eyeing his own s’more and his buddies half eaten one,  after much encouragement, he took a bite. He ended up eating at least two and then helped us make them by handing us the marshmallows to roast and stacking chocolate between the graham crackers for us to make and pass around, with sticky marshmallow cream stuck to his huge grin and whiskery chin. When the chocolate and graham crackers were gone we just roasted the marshmallows and passed the sticks around for people to pull off and eat the toasted sticky treat.

 

I could do this again. It was well worth the exhaustion and aching feet and legs. There are so many more stories I could tell, just enjoy the pictures. Thank you Eli, Austin, Christine and Robert. Thank you, Macedonia.

In Case Anyone is Interested

By David Edenden

In case anyone is interested, Margaret Bush ( the former Margaret Conway Molster) is the wife of Marvin P. Bush, brother of George W. Bush.

I just thought some people would like to know.

Marvin P. Bush
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"Marvin Pierce Bush (born October 22, 1956) is the youngest son of George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce, and brother of George W., John (Jeb), Neil and Dorothy. He is named for his maternal grandfather. He and wife Margaret (nee Molster) have two adopted children from the Gladney Center in Ft. Worth, Texas: a daughter, Marshall, and a son, Walker."

Macedonians for Makpedia

Makpedia the Free Macedonian Encyclopedia:

"makpedia
In Macedonian / по маедонски : макпидија

Makpedia is a project that started in 2006 largely because of the Wikipedia project.

Many ethnic Macedonians contributed to the Wikipedia project with limited success. Every time a new article about Macedonia or Macedonians was created it was quickly defaced or modified according to the views of each pro-Greek or pro-Bulgarian that modified it.

You'll find a fairly small database of facts and information about Macedonia on Makpedia but that does not mean that is all to be said of it. We are in our infancy stages and we continue to publish new articles on a regular basis.

Makpedia is staffed solely by ethnic Macedonians. Its main purpose is not to take a stance in denying the existence of an ethnic group such as that of pro-Greeks, pro-Bulgarians, pro-Serbians, or even pro-Albanians. If we as a people can accept their existence and distinctness as a separate culture, then they can do the same for Macedonians. We are Macedonians, not Serbians, not Bulgarians, not Greeks nor Albanians. We have our own language, our own culture, our own identity. Administrator, April 2006"

A Communist Under Every Bed

This article is one of the many reasons that I view the IWPR as an agent of destabilization. Macedonian needs a "truth and reconciliation commission" along the lines of what happened in South Africa. This will bring people together. We don't need a which hunt with people accusing each other for political gain. This will tear them apart.That, I fear, is the objective of the IWPR!
Wikipedia - Lustration is historically the term for various ancient Greeks and Roman purification rituals.
In the period after the fall of the various European Communist states in 1989–1991, the term came to refer to the policy of limiting participation of former communists, and especially informants of the communist secret police, in the successor governments or even in civil service positions.

New Lustration Process Won't Cure Macedonia's Ills:
In Weeding out low-level informers to the old secret services and not their bosses is neither just nor useful.

By Iso Rusi in Skopje (Balkan Insight, Jan 26 07)

This week Macedonia is making an attempt to weed out former security service informers from public life with a draft law imposing new conditions on those applying for office.

Deputies say the old secret police structures have had a devastating effect on the country's recent life, contributing to the many failures of the transition process, including increased poverty, criminal privatisation processes and stunted political pluralism.

While deputies blame these problems on the remaining elements of the former communist system - low level 'snitches' - there is no word about the responsibility of those who ideologically mobilised and organised them and used their data for investigations, beatings, psychological maltreatment.

These people are all missing from this proposal law, which means in effect that they will be amnestied. It gives rise to suspicions that real lustration in Macedonia will in fact be impossible, as it would be carried out by the same people who ought to be its object.

There is a risk that other categories will never be fully uncovered, because"

Wikipedia on Macedonians

These two Wikipedia links to Macedonian information are great. Wikipedia is a user generated encyclopedia in which individuals can submit their own articles. I'm not sure exactly how they manage "the Macedonian question", but the information seems to be reliable, with the exception that you can obviously tell the bias of the person submitting the article. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Wikipedia is important in relaying the fact.

An example is the listing of Macedonians in various census around the world. I did not know that Bulgaria (5071) even allowed Macedonians to be identified as such. Who new their were there were so many in Serbia (25,847) or that Australia (81,899) had more Macedonians that Canada (31,265) and the US (42, 812) combined. The Greek (962) census only recorded those migrants who hold Macedonian citizenship.

Wikipedia - Macedonians (ethnic group)

The Macedonians (Македонци, Makedonci) - also referred to as Macedonian Slavs ^[1] - are a South Slavic ethnic group who are primarily associated with the Republic of Macedonia. They speak the Macedonian language, a South Slavic language, and most of them are part of the Macedonian Orthodox Church. The overwhelming majority of ethnic Macedonians live in the Republic of Macedonia, although there are also minority communities in neighboring Serbia, Greece (in Greek or Aegean Macedonia where the overwhelming majority Greeks also refer to themselves as Macedonians), Albania and Bulgaria, as well as in other diaspora communities in a number of other countries

Slavic language (Greece)

Slavic (Greek: Σλάβικα Slávika, reported self-identifying names: makedonski, bugarski, balgarski [1]) is the term sometimes used to designate the dialects spoken by the Slavophone (i.e. Slavic-speaking) minority of the region of Macedonia in northern Greece; other names include Slav-Macedonian or Dopia. Linguistically, these dialects are classified as Bulgarian or Macedonian Slavic depending on the abstand (distance) of each dialect from the standard languages

Sean Connery Plays the Reincarnation of Alexander the Great

This is a good movie about the Kalash people in Pakistan who are said to be descendents of the army of Alexander the Great. Macedonians and Greeks are fighting an internet war ( No support for a Greek Origin of the Kalash) as to whether they are the descendents of Greeks or ethnic Macedonians ... good fun!

The Man Who Would Be King
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The Man Who Would Be King (1888) is a short story by Rudyard Kipling concerning two British ex-soldiers who set off from 19th century British India in search of adventure and end up as kings of Kafiristan (now part of Afghanistan). The story was inspired by the travels of American adventurer Josiah Harlan.

The story was first published in The Phantom Rickshaw and other Eerie Tales (Volume Five of the Indian Railway Library, published by Wheelers of Allahabad in 1888). It also appeared in Wee Willie Winkie and Other Stories in 1895, and in numerous later editions of that collection.

In 1975, it was adapted into a feature film by director John Huston, starring Sean Connery as Daniel Dravot, Michael Caine as Peachey Carnehan, and Christopher Plummer as Rudyard Kipling (giving a name to the story's anonymous narrator). The doomed Billy Fish is played by Saeed Jaffrey."